Thanks James, very helpfull information. You open a hold can of worms for me. my Calories intake when I go on an extended trip. I hope only used the bear container only for a part of the JMT ~ Ed
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> Ed,
> Well, that depends on what kind of food you bring.
> Yeah, I know you said freeze dried.
> Many freeze-dried foods are mostly air. A good example
> is the freeze dried ice cream from Mountain House. Mostly
> sugars (lactose, glucose, maltose, sucrose, fructose, etc),
> some gelatin (usually plant based, like agar-agar...
> seaweed) and some vitamins & minerals. A small amount of
> protiens...I do not remember which ones, though. But, it takes
> up a lot of space. Calories is not that great, a lot of sugars, not
> too many starches, and no fats. This is true of a LOT of freeze
> dried stuff. Though they do get better in the calorie end, by
> including macaronies, noodles and sauces. Still few or no
> fats. Because of the lack of fats(where most flavour comes
> from) they will often lack flavour and calories. No long term
> staying power.
> Soo, what really makes up a good hiking diet? Well,
> that will vary from person to person, and, the duration of your
> trip. Calories is big. You will likely burn between 3500 and 6000
> calories per day if you average 15mi per day for a week. If you
> are doing a lot of uphill and downhill work, you will need towards
> the upper end in calories. This is considered by most to be a
> *good* hike. Or, about 100mi/week. Some would not even shoot
> for this...too much work, too far to travel. Some will say this is an
> *easy* hike. I consider it a *good* hike.
> For compact size, you need a lot of fat to achieve the calorie
> intake in a small container. Protein is needed, too, to rebuild your
> muscles every night, as you break them down from use. Along
> with some sugars, and starches to keep the engine running, so
> to speak. (I have packed olive oil and dumped a couple table
> spoons into a freeze dried packet. They still don't taste very good.)
> What about vitamins? Minerals? Trace elements? Well, I
> do not worry about it for a week or less. Otherwise, I would suggest
> you pack vitamins. No one knows everything we need in the human
> body. Soo, on the AT anyway, when you hit a town, go with what
> tastes good. Your body knows what it wants and needs. Indulge.
> Forage where possible. Apples, even crab apples, are pretty good.
> Especially when hiking....that'
> know...if it tastes real good, you probably needed something in it.
> Anyway, cheese, salami, pepperoni, etc. are good sources
> of fats and proteins. Dried beef is good protein. Beans, wild rice,
> macaroni products of all types, a bottle of melted butter, olive oil,
> bisquik or the like, dehydrated veggies, MM's, freeze dried coffee
> (liquified with a few drips of water and pressed into chunks), cocoa,
> drink mix, salt & pepper, red pepper, Dried hot dogs, jerky, ...
> Well, you get the idea. Pack some wraps on top, and add some
> of your favorite seasonings. Generally, you can get everything you
> need into one container for 7-10 days. First day out, you can mostly
> ignore bear rules, so pocketing a few bars is OK. Spoilage is not
> a concern for the first day either, soo, steaks are OK, too. Use
> common sense, though, of course. Ground beef is a bit more
> difficult to dry, but can be done...cook it in patties (well done), then
> put it in the freezer uncovered for a week or so.
> There is still a lot of water in store bought stuff. Soo, opening
> a pack of jerky, and spreading it on a tray in the freezer will dry it out.
> It should break, not bend. Same for dried beef. Same for the coffee.
> Pepperoni is more difficult, leave the skin on, and leave it in the
> freezer for about a month, before you go. Hot dogs can be dried in
> the microwave till they get hard. Melted butter is easier, melt it down
> in a pan, and pour it off into your bottle...mostly you want the oil for
> hiking. I think you see what I am driving at.
> Your diet should be about 30-60% fats. Starches, sugars and
> proteins are about equal. If you are in your 30's, add more protein. Up
> to about 15%. Vitamins are more of an afterthought. Generally, this
> stuff is not real appealing, but, think of it as a challenge to your cooking
> ability. My mom did much more with far less on occasion.
> This is more or less what I would eat. Your diet will no doubt be
> different. Nor, do I take the same items every time. It is only an example
> of what I know works.
> I am not really against the manufactured freeze dried stuff
> as much as I believe that dehydrated stuff will give you more
> food value in less space. But, not everyone will want to spend two
> hours a day cooking, either(lunch and supper.) FD stuff certainly
> has its place. I will often take one meal for those times when
> I hike late and just don't care to cook till 2230. Boil and dump.
> Quick and easy.
> Anyway, measure out your portions by day. Then put together
> a packet for X days. That should tell you wether the 700ci bear ball
> will work or not. It is a good size, generally.
> My thoughts only . . .
> jdm
> At 03:12 PM 7/21/2009, you wrote:
> >Hello all, for those of you that own a bear container, how much food can you pack in one looking at ones that have capacity of 700ci. I will be packing frez dry food as well as store bought food in zip lock bags. Thanks ~Ed
>
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